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		<title>Inbox 2.0 &#8211; I Think it&#8217;s Too Late to Matter for Social Networking (but fix them anyway)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been reading a few of these posts about Inbox 2.0 and the &#8220;Biggest Social Graphs&#8221; and they line up with some things I&#8217;ve been thinking as well. I&#8217;ve posted two blurbs recently on email and social networking &#8211; you can read them here and here. Overall, I do agree that email inboxes do contain [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading a few of these posts about <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/13/inbox-20-yahoo-and-google-to-turn-e-mail-into-a-social-network/">Inbox 2.0</a> and the &#8220;<a href="http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2007/11/the-biggest-soc.html">Biggest Social Graphs</a>&#8221; and they line up with some things I&#8217;ve been thinking as well. I&#8217;ve posted two blurbs recently on email and social networking &#8211; you can read them <a href="http://blog.charleshudson.net/?p=385">here</a> and <a href="http://blog.charleshudson.net/?p=365">here</a>.</p>
<p>Overall, I do agree that email inboxes do contain a lot of interesting data about people and how frequently they communicate over email and potentially IM if a vendor offers both products in an integrated fashion. That being said, I don&#8217;t see how any of the top web email providers (Microsoft, Yahoo, and Google) can use this email information to build new social networking products. There is, however, an opportunity to use that data to power other people&#8217;s applications.</p>
<p><strong>What additional value would I get in using one of these systems over Facebook, MySpace, or my current social network of choice?</strong> Details on these products are sketchy at best. However, almost any social networking product worth its salt has a contact importer. Once a user imports his/her contacts, he or she can then determine who from that subset of people he/she would like to invite. Is having a machine prompt to do this for personal social networking of great value? I can see the utility of this auto-population or auto-discovery in a work context (Xobni does do a good job of showing me my own correspondence patterns and I can imagine many things you could build on top of that data &#8211; the work use case is different as I think work communication patterns tend to be more dynamic than personal ones). Nothing I&#8217;ve heard in the limited details that have come out gives me reason to think that they&#8217;re on to something bigger.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also say that if &#8220;powering up&#8221; this network requires me to create a new profile page, it&#8217;s a non-started. I&#8217;m out of that business for now unless or until I see a really great application that&#8217;s worth the time.</p>
<p><strong>Webmail inboxes are a mess</strong> &#8211; I have yet to use an email product that has an even decent address book. All of the email address book offerings from the Big 3 email providers feel really dated. For example, the Gmail address book does not do a very good job of de-duplicating contacts. I have folks in my address book who have multiple entries and I&#8217;m not interested in going through to manually de-duplicate them; I&#8217;m counting on a machine to do that for me.</p>
<p>The larger point here is that I don&#8217;t know how you can build a really good, effective social networking product on top of email if you don&#8217;t do something to put some good, quality structure around the data. Social networking services who are sucking up email addresses to match a user&#8217;s inbox with their database of contacts don&#8217;t have the same problem &#8211; you just throw away the ones that don&#8217;t match (or allow a user to invite them). It&#8217;s a very different situation if you want to build a whole new social network product with email as the foundation.</p>
<p><strong>Cross-functional collaboration is not easy inside of large companies</strong> &#8211; This is a fairly obvious point, but big companies are notorious for having internal challenges when it comes to cross-product collaboration. When one of the products in question is email, I don&#8217;t imagine that will be an easy conversation &#8211; nobody wants to play around with an interface that touches tens or hundreds of millions worldwide. </p>
<p>Think about the refresh cycles for webmail systems. How often do Gmail, Yahoo Mail, or Hotmal get updated? Not that often, and I have to think that touching those interfaces requires a lot of signoff and a strong conviction that the proposed changes will positively impact a wide number of people. Otherwise, you might end up with angry users. I have a hard time seeing any of these companies acting aggressively with one of their web crown jewels.</p>
<p>The end game ought to be to make this information available to other services and make mail the data platform, not build new applications. Sadly, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a very interesting business to be in &#8211; I don&#8217;t know how you re-establish yourself as a major player in social networking by simply providing the data layer that powers other applications. </p>
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		<title>OpenSocial &#8211; Is Opening Up the Answer?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 01:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been reading a bunch of posts about Google and friends launching the Open Social. So far, my favorite posts are this one, this one, and this one. Overall, I am skeptical (are you surprised?) that simply &#8220;opening up&#8221; is the recipe for victory. A few thoughts arranged in some rough form. At the end [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading a bunch of posts about Google and friends launching the Open Social. So far, my favorite posts are this <a href="http://venturebeat.com/2007/10/30/google-led-gang-to-take-on-facebook-googles-opensocial-launches/">one</a>, this <a href="http://lsvp.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/googles-opensocial-benefits-smaller-social-networks/">one</a>, and this <a href="http://blog.pmarca.com/2007/10/open-social-a-n.html">one</a>. Overall, I am skeptical (are you surprised?) that simply &#8220;opening up&#8221; is the recipe for victory. A few thoughts arranged in some rough form.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, developers care about increasing the audience for their applications and/or making more money. At the end of the day, end-users (also known as normal people) care about a great user experience and a compelling services.</p>
<p>With these goals in mind, here are a few thoughts about the open social movement:<br />
1. OpenSocial is a set of APIs, not an actual product &#8211; Despite all of the speculation about what it will be, I think the press releases are pretty clear about what it won&#8217;t be. What&#8217;s being contemplated is a set of APIs that will make integration social data easier and allow developers to pull from a wider variety of sources. It&#8217;s not actually a product or service in and of itself. The onus will still be on the community to build cool stuff that makes use of the platform. And the underlying data has to actually be useful &#8211; this alliance has to have profile data about people and entities that are actually interesting to developers.</p>
<p>2. Open systems tend to work best when competing against truly closed products. There are a lot of posts on the web that keep citing the &#8220;fall&#8221; of AOL and the triumph over the web. Two quick things I think bear mentioning. If being valued at $20 billion recently is a &#8220;fall&#8221; then I bet a lot of companies would be happy to fall. AOL is no longer the force it used to be, but it hasn&#8217;t exactly disappeared. A better example is the case of open source software in the enterprise. In the case of OSS, the vendors were so intent on maintaining control that there was a real market opportunity for more open entrants. Facebook is not completely open, but it&#8217;s certainly more open than MySpace. It will be interesting to see if an extremely open system can beat an open system.</p>
<p>3. Having open APIs does not remove the need to build really great products. Openness is a product decision. Being more open than your competitors does not guarantee success. It doesn&#8217;t guarantee adoption. I do think, though, that it gives you more flexibility to be clever about how you integrate with others. Simply opening up does not remove the requirement to build products that take advantage of that openness to build better products and services.</p>
<p>One of the undertones in a lot of the blog posts I&#8217;ve read is that new upstarts on the Facebook platform haven&#8217;t been able to break through to dislodge RockYou or Slide. Naturally, finding a new pasture in which to compete where you can be one of the first-mover launch applications is appealing. But at the end of the day, this open coalition has to deliver on its promises to developers (openness = more opportunity to acquire users or make money) and end-users (openness = better user experiences and more compelling applications) or it won&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>I think it will be really interesting to see how this all pans out. We&#8217;re clearly in the early days of this.</p>
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		<title>Will Ning Help or Hurt the Social Networking Ecosystem?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 03:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[With all of the blogosphere buzz about the re-launch of Ning, I thought I would go ahead and play with the tool and try to set up a new social network on the fly. I timed myself and I was able to create a very basic social networking application for residents of my hometown and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all of the blogosphere buzz about the re-launch of <a href="http://www.ning.com">Ning</a>, I thought I would go ahead and play with the tool and try to set up a new social network on the fly. I timed myself and I was able to create a very basic social networking application for residents of my hometown and it&#8217;s available <a href="http://mtvresidents.ning.com/">here</a>. It was super simple to use and I was able to create a brand new social network from scratch in under 5 minutes.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t spend much time or energy customizing the site &#8212; I just wanted to see how quickly I could get something up and running. It does everything it advertises &#8211; you can add all of the commodity features like photos, video, forums, blogging, etc. very easily.<br />
After setting up this social network, however, I was left with the distinct feeling that Ning doesn&#8217;t really solve the problem faced by most new social networking sites. The technology piece is not the hard part anymore. The hard parts these days are acquiring users and building a site that is sufficiently interesting as to keep them coming back. Sadly, I don&#8217;t see how Ning would help a newbie person in this space solve or address any of these problems.</p>
<p>In a lot of ways, my initial reactions to playing with Ning are similar to what I felt when using Blogger and TypePad for the first time. Both products greatly lowered the barrier to entry in blogging. The result has been many clear; many more people are blogging today than several years ago and the availability of easy tools has something to do with that. However, the availability of easy-to-use tools does not help the modern blogger get more users or develop a blog that will become more popular or widely read. If anything, this lowering of the bar has also led to a lot of &#8220;dead blogs&#8221; out there, ones that are rarely updated or were created simply for some time period or purpose (student life, a trip abroad, etc). I don&#8217;t know whether these &#8220;dead blogs&#8221; are a good or bad thing &#8212; at least people are engaging the medium.</p>
<p>Social networks are a different beast. While blogging can be useful and/or therapeutic for a writer who has an audience of a just a few readers, most social networks need some critical mass of users to be useful. Will Ning usher in a new generation of &#8220;dead networks&#8221; or will they really cause a bunch of new interesting networks to bloom? Probably too early to tell.</p>
<p>Update: VentureBeat has a piece with a similar take available <a href="http://venturebeat.com/2007/03/01/your-social-network-at-ning-join-the-thousands/">here</a>.</p>
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